Senator McCARTHY (Northern Territory—Minister for Indigenous Australians) (14:41): Thank you, President. I'm so eager to answer I stood up before you. Thank you to the senator for the question. We can see that the new leader of the Nationals is really having an influence on that side. Farmers are choosing to make money by keeping and planting trees to generate carbon credits and by hosting renewables. So why don't the Nats support the farmers choosing how they want to earn money? Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Please resume your seat. Senator Canavan interjecting— Senator Ayres interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Canavan and Senator Ayres, which part of 'order' did either of you fail to understand? Seriously! The minute the minister got to her feet, suddenly interjections started across the chamber. That is disrespectful. Senator Cadell, second supplementary?