Senator McCARTHY (Northern Territory—Minister for Indigenous Australians) (15:00): These changes are what delivering on priority reform 3 of the National Agreement on Closing the Gap means, and this is the Senate making structural changes to how government considers First Nations issues. That's what this is about. In terms of the Senate's responsibility, we are walking the walk. Meanwhile, those opposite may be talking, they may be baulking but they're not walking! So let's not forget— Senator Ruston interjecting— Senator McCARTHY: Thanks, Senator Ruston! Let's not forget that, when the Senate voted for these changes, we had Senator Cash and Senator Duniam, who's been quite silent over there, carrying on about how the sky would fall in if we moved to this. Well, let me tell you, senators, it worked very well, thank you. Senator Wong: I ask that further questions be placed on notice. The Senate transcript was published up to 15:02. The remainder of the transcript will be published progressively as it is completed.