Senator AYRES (New South Wales—Minister for Industry and Innovation and Minister for Science) (14:04): It is, indeed, a misrepresentation to describe the policy proposition adopted by this government, in contrast to the rabble beforehand, as 'renewables only'. Renewables are, of course, the cheapest form of power—plus batteries, hydro and gas. If you can't conceive of what the policy proposition is, it's very difficult—very difficult indeed—to adequately respond to such a misconceived question. What is absolutely true is that we need additional capacity, generation and transmission, into the system. There is a challenge there to build it. This government is meeting that challenge. And it would be good if some of the odder characters in your show got out of the way of transmission and generation projects. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Smith, second supplementary?