Senator FARRELL (South Australia—Minister for Trade and Tourism, Special Minister of State and Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:43): I thank Senator Pocock. I remember when we had the electoral reform legislation coming up in the last parliament. Everybody said, 'Look, that legislation is friendless,' and yet it passed the parliament. Senator Pocock, if you're seriously interested in transparency, and I— Senator McKim interjecting— Senator FARRELL: Senator McKim, just be quiet for a little bit while I'm talking. You can learn something from this as well. If the crossbench, the Greens and the coalition are serious about getting genuine transparency, they'll be on board for these reforms. We can establish that these reforms are really, really important for continued transparency and the operation of government. They are sensible reforms. (Time expired)