Senator McCARTHY (Northern Territory—Minister for Indigenous Australians) (14:15): It's clear to see where the coalition are going on this; it is very clear to see. On the one hand they feign interest— Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Minister McCarthy, please resume your seat. Order on my left! The minister will be heard in silence. Senator McCARTHY: On the one hand they feign interest in closing the gap and the targets for First Nations people in this country. Opposition senators interjecting— Senator McCARTHY: It is very true that you feign interest in this. On the one hand you do that, and then you wonder why we ask for further scrutiny across the Senate estimates for every single one of you. Every single one of you can turn up and ask those questions. In fact, I'm going to monitor how many of you actually turn up and ask questions. Senator Cash interjecting— Senator McCARTHY: In fact, I'll go even further; I'm going to go back and find out how many of you actually asked questions, Senator Cash, on closing the gap. The PRESIDENT: Senator Liddle, second supplementary?