Senator McCARTHY (Northern Territory—Minister for Indigenous Australians) (14:12): I thank the senator for her question. I would certainly reject outright that the Senate doesn't have an opportunity to ask questions on Closing the Gap. In fact, the Senate now has multiple opportunities to ask questions on Closing the Gap. They can go and ask questions on health, in terms of the health minister's role. They can ask about housing in the housing minister's role. They can ask about justice in the justice minister's role. Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Sorry, Minister McCarthy, could you resume your seat. Order across the chamber, particularly on my left! Senator McCARTHY: In fact, I am absolutely thrilled to see the opposition wanting to become involved in seeing those targets drop and being a part of scrutinising every department that you should. That's what this is about. I have travelled across the country talking to the cabinet ministers in those particular jurisdictions about Indigenous affairs, and we know and we've taken it back to our cabinets— Opposition senators interjecting— Senator McCARTHY: Clearly, the other side don't want to listen. Senator Wong: I have a point of order. I wonder if the interjections, which have been continuous from Senators McKenzie, Cash and Liddle, could cease for a moment. The PRESIDENT: As you no doubt heard, I have been calling the chamber to order. I have particularly called those on my left to order. I remind people that Minister McCarthy has the right to be heard in silence. Senator McCARTHY: This matter is so serious in terms of First Nations people in this country. What is shameful here today is the politicising by the opposition when they have a very real opportunity to do their job and actually attend all of the estimates every single day to ask the very questions that First Nations people in this country expect of this parliament. The PRESIDENT: Senator Liddle, first supplementary?