Senator McALLISTER (New South Wales—Minister for Emergency Management and Minister for Cities) (14:50): Energy prices are a serious issue for households, and they're a serious issue for businesses. Our No. 1 priority is delivering cost-of-living relief for households and businesses, including through the support that we're providing for energy bills. People are doing it tough, but we are seeing green shoots, and, as you've indicated in your question to me, there is some indication that we are seeing electricity prices fall. The challenge is, of course, that those on the other side voted against that energy price relief. They voted against it, and they want to wind back those rebates that are going out at the moment to Australian families and to Australian businesses. Their plan would actually mean higher power prices. I think the most interesting thing, of course, when you're asked about price, is that our plan for the electricity system is long term and is to ensure that we are making investments in the cheapest form of new generation that there is, and that is firmed renewables. The opposite, of course, is an utterly reckless plan to invest in the most expensive form of energy that— The PRESIDENT: Minister McAllister, please resume your seat. Senator Duniam? Senator Duniam: A point of order on relevance: I asked about how much power prices are going to be going up after the subsidy comes off, not about all the other extraneous matters. The PRESIDENT: The minister talked about energy prices, and the minister is being relevant to your question. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order across the chamber! Minister McAllister, please continue. Senator McALLISTER: When we talk about the future of the energy system, the truth is that the plan that is being promulgated by those opposite is for the most expensive form of energy that there is, to be delivered in more than a decade's time, well after it is required. Independent analysis suggests that that could add at least $1,200 to the average bill for a four-person household. It would deliver less than four per cent of the energy that we actually require. It won't be delivered until 2040, according to CSIRO, and it could cost $600 billion—a source of funding for which has yet to be provided by a coalition that is advocating for a scheme that is uncosted, unspecified and will occur on some unknown timetable. The PRESIDENT: Senator Duniam, first supplementary?