Senator WATT (Queensland—Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry and Minister for Emergency Management) (14:37): Thank you, Senator McKenzie. I can actually do better than that. I can do better than giving commitments from the Albanese government about this point. What I can do is point you to the remarks of Mr Fletcher, who was the Minister for Urban Infrastructure and Cities in May 2018, when the former government, momentarily, was going to introduce fuel efficiency standards. And what did he have to say about this? What Mr Fletcher, a member of the Liberal Party, a minister at the time, said was: So when fuel efficiency standards were introduced in the US, the most popular models before introduction stayed the most popular models after introduction. Essentially, what Americans call pickup trucks and what we'd call utes, like the Chevy Silverado. There wasn't a material change in price and we don't expect that there would be a material change in price here. The PRESIDENT: Senator McKenzie? Senator McKenzie: A point of order on relevance: the discussion paper released goes to cheaper cars. I am asking the government to back in Minister Bowen's claim around the costs of cars. Are they going to go up or down? The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator McKenzie, I will direct the minister to your question. Senator WATT: As I say, I can do better than directing Senator McKenzie to a comment from this government; I can direct her to Mr Fletcher's remarks where he said— The PRESIDENT: Minister Watt, I have asked you to give a response to Senator McKenzie as a government response. It's okay to refer to a previous government in passing comments, but the question is directed to you as the minister. Senator Wong: A point of order: President, I would make this point—that the fact that a minister is referencing a previous minister does not mean it's not directly relevant to the topic that's being put. So I'd ask you to consider that. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Wong. I do appreciate that, which is why I gave the minister some leniency. I agree that it is reasonable to quote a previous minister, but I think it's time now to move on to Minister Watt's response. Senator WATT: There is no evidence whatsoever, from international experiences, that prices of vehicles under a new fuel efficiency standard will increase in the way Senator McKenzie suggests. Mr Fletcher made that point back in May 2018, when he said that, when America introduced fuel efficiency standards, 'There wasn't a material change in price and we don't expect that there would be a material change in price here.' But what we have, as expected, is the same old scare campaigns from the National Party. What we have is 'ending the weekend mark 2'. I notice that Senator McKenzie went awfully close to reinventing the weekend attack when she said on Sky News on 5 February that Australians want the work car to be their weekend car. They had to get the word 'weekend' in there somewhere, Pavlovian style. 'We're almost Scottish en masse where we don't want a work car and a separate weekend car. We like them to be together.' That's Senator McKenzie. Unfortunately for Senator McKenzie, Senator Sharma was on Sky News the same day, and we'll get to that shortly. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator McKenzie, first supplementary?