Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Foreign Affairs and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:04): It's interesting, isn't it? I'm asked how Australians can believe anybody. Well, how are they supposed to believe a coalition that actually is complaining about a change it's voting for? How are they supposed to believe that, and how are they supposed to believe that you're the party of lower taxes? The PRESIDENT: Order! Minister Wong, please resume your seat. Senator Hume? Senator Hume: I specifically asked if you have no plans to change negative gearing— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Hume, I presume you're standing on a point of order. I'm not a mind-reader, so you need to actually state that if you're standing on a point of order. But I think you are now debating with Senator Wong. I am going to listen carefully to the minister's response. If there is a need to redirect, I will. Senator WONG: I put this to you, Senator Hume: You wouldn't expect me to pull out one ingredient or one part of tax reform, so I'm not going to play the 'yes this is good, 'no this is bad', the rule in, rule out, I'm not going to do that. That was your deputy leader, Sussan Ley—oh, dear me! So there you go. They want us to rule things in or out, but I notice the deputy leader of the opposition is ducking and weaving and doesn't want to rule things in or out anyway. This lot over here used to be to the party of lower taxes. We're the party of lower taxes. This is what the Dutton opposition has sunk to. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Hume, a second supplementary?