Senator FARRELL (South Australia—Minister for Trade and Tourism, Special Minister of State and Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:37): I thank Senator Thorpe for her question. I note that we're getting attacked from the Left and the Right on this issue, which makes me think that Madeleine King, the Minister for Resources, is treading down the right path here. Obviously the extent to which legal fees have been spent in this area has been a decision principally, in terms of the government, of the previous government but also of the Barngarla people themselves. It's not clear to me just where the situation lies in terms of costs, but I imagine that will be an issue that will be determined at some point in these proceedings. We've got an important issue here. Dealing with the issue of low-level waste has been a difficult and important— The PRESIDENT: Minister Farrell, please resume your seat. Senator Thorpe? Senator Thorpe: I raise a point of order on relevance, President. My question was about the disparity the government are using to deny First People their self-determination. The PRESIDENT: Your question also went to legal fees. I think the minister is being relevant, but I'll continue to listen carefully. Senator FARRELL: I think it's worth noting that, in the previous parliament, it was the decision of the Labor Party to allow the judicial review process to be incorporated into the Kimba proposal that led to the ability of the Barngarla people to make this challenge on this occasion, which obviously has been a successful challenge. But I do make this point: there's lots of low-level nuclear waste— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Thorpe, first supplementary?