Senator McKENZIE (Victoria—Leader of the Nationals in the Senate) (15:03): Yes, absolutely—the nonanswers, the lack of detail, the cloak of secrecy and the cover-up for certain people continues. Minister, isn't the real reason the government refused the Qatar Airways application because of pressure from a major domestic carrier? Was Minister King again overruled by the real infrastructure and transport minister, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese? Senator Wong: I raise a point of order about the question. I ought to have raised it, but with the interjections I couldn't hear the first supplementary. I think the senator is asking this minister in his primary portfolio capacity. I think asking this minister the reasons for a decision of another minister is not in order, because it is not a matter in his portfolio. My recollection is the senator did not ask the minister in his representing capacity, so I will just make that point but I don't object to the question. I ought have raised this in the first supplementary. The PRESIDENT: Just for clarity, I understood Senator McKenzie was asking about Senator Farrell's tourism and trade role. If I got that wrong, I will apologise. Senator Birmingham, I will go to you. Senator Birmingham: On the point of order, indeed, I am assuming the question was asked in relation to the trade and tourism portfolio as well. President, it would be a very narrow ruling to suggest that a minister with a portfolio such as trade and tourism that clearly is directly impacted by decisions of government in relation to aviation access to Australia cannot be asked questions about those decisions of government, the impacts of those decisions or the rationale for those decisions of government, particularly when they are cabinet decisions, ultimately, for which all ministers are accountable. The PRESIDENT: I would agree with your analysis, Senator Birmingham, but Senator McKenzie did ask about Minister King as well in her question and that is the point that, I believe, Senator Wong was raising. But I will seek the advice of the Clerk—yes, he is nodding his head. Sorry, we have allowed the question. I will direct the minister to Senator McKenzie's question and to answer it within his trade and tourism portfolio. Minister.