Senator FARRELL (South Australia—Minister for Trade and Tourism, Special Minister of State and Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:28): I thank Senator Pocock for his question. This morning I heard you on ABC radio just before I did the Bevan show in Adelaide, and I congratulate you on your comments and your sensible, progressive attitude to this, which contrasts so dramatically with the Greens and their allies the coalition. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Hanson-Young: Porkies! Senator FARRELL: Well, Senator Hanson-Young, if you'd read the bill, you'd understand why what you said on the ABC today— The PRESIDENT: Minister Farrell, I've called you about five times. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order at the back of the chamber. Those interjections are disorderly. Minister, please continue. Senator FARRELL: Thank you. I'm running out of time here, but I will answer the very sensible question from Senator Pocock. To particularly answer the direct question, we will soon launch the formal consultation on the plan, which will set out the 10-year strategy to inform housing and homelessness policy in Australia. The Minister for Housing, Minister Collins, who's doing a terrific job, I might add, in the most difficult of circumstances, remains committed to the housing commitment in the housing portfolio under Closing the Gap. Through the housing reform agenda, the Albanese government is committed to reducing overcrowding for Indigenous Australians and to seeing improvements in all states currently experiencing overcrowding. But we accept, Senator Pocock, your fundamental proposition that there is a lot more to do. The Albanese government is committed to working with our state and territory counterparts to ensure more Australians have a safe and affordable place to call home. I was able to talk this morning on the ABC about the fact that, in South Australia alone, projects are being delayed as a result of the crazy— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Pocock, first supplementary?