Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Foreign Affairs and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:49): I'm not going to comment on an individual, and, I'm sorry; I don't actually know what detail you're referring to. But I would make this point: the ISDS clause that I referenced in the Hong Kong agreement was used by tobacco companies to try and take legal action against an Australian government for plain packaging. I think that demonstrates, amongst other things, the concerns that many in the Australian community have about those sorts of provisions in these trade agreements—that they obviate or constrain a country's sovereignty. We in government have said that we won't be doing trade agreements with those clauses in them, and we will be going through a process of trying to improve or remove those agreements which have those clauses. The PRESIDENT: Minister Wong, please resume your seat. Senator Babet. Senator Babet: A point of order, once again, on relevance: is the person who is appointed by the Commonwealth to perform ISDS arbitration dodgy? That's it. The PRESIDENT: Senator Babet, Minister Wong went to that part of your question. Minister, please continue. Senator WONG: I again say that we have concerns about ISDS clauses when it comes to ensuring that an Australian government can make appropriate decisions on behalf of the Australian community, and we put those on the record.