Senator FARRELL (South Australia—Minister for Trade and Tourism, Special Minister of State and Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:00): I thank Senator Ruston for her question. Senator Gallagher: What was Peter Dutton's record? Was he the worst one? Senator Watt: I think he was. Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator FARRELL: Well, of course, we have seen what the Liberals do when they are in control of the health budget and of course we've seen what leader Dutton did when he was— The PRESIDENT: Senator Birmingham? Senator Birmingham: President, a point of order on direct relevance: as you point out, interjections are always disorderly, but you allow some degree of latitude, but what we outrageously have here is the Leader of the Government in the Senate responding to interjections that are really not interjections; they are prompts from the ministers sitting behind him. The coalition was silenced as the minister was answering, and I ask you to draw him to the question. The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Birmingham, that is not a point of order, but I am going to remind Minister Farrell of the question. Senator FARRELL: Of course, it was the Curtin and Chifley governments that took the first— Opposition senators interjecting— Senator FARRELL: Well, it's worth putting it in its historical context. I won't repeat what I said earlier about leader Dutton's performance in this area, but it is worth pointing out that the Curtin and Chifley governments took the steps to make medicines affordable for all Australians post the Second World War. The PRESIDENT: Senator Ruston? Senator Ruston: President, on a point of order in relation to relevance, I would ask you if you could reflect on the minister's answer so far to this question, which I believe has gone in no way to my question, which was very specifically targeted to a vote in this chamber, or an agreement in this chamber last week, to say that all medicines that were approved by PBAC would be listed on the PBS. I'd ask you to draw the minister's attention to the question. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Ruston, and I'm sure you noted that I have already directed the minister to your question, and I will direct the minister again. Senator FARRELL: We're listing medicines and we're making them cheaper for all Australians. The government is committed to ensuring that Australians have access to affordable medicines by listing medicines recommended by the independent Pharmaceutical Benefits Advisory Committee, the PBAC, on the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme. The government has delivered on our election promise to cut the cost of medications for millions and millions of Australians by reducing the PBS co-payment to a maximum of $30 per script. The PRESIDENT: Senator Ruston? Senator Ruston: President, again on a matter of relevance: I have not asked about the co-payment for medicines. I clearly asked about the listing of PBAC-approved medicines on the PBS. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Ruston. You did refer to the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, and I think the minister is being relevant. I will listen carefully to the remainder of his answer to the question. Senator Ruston: On the same point of order, they are two different things. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Ruston. Minister Farrell, please continue. Senator FARRELL: Since 1 July 2022 the government has committed additional funding for 67 new and amended PBS listings. A further 83 items were also approved, where the budget— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Minister. Senator Ruston, a first supplementary?