Senator WATT (Queensland—Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry and Minister for Emergency Management) (14:44): Well, hold the front page!—'Big employer group opposes wage rises and opposes changes to the IR system that will enable wage rises'. Has it ever been any different? We know that over the last 10 years some of those big business groups were in cahoots with the coalition. Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Watt, please resume your seat. Order! Please continue, Senator Watt. Senator WATT: So it is hardly a surprise that when we finally have a government in this country that wants to get wages moving again that we see some business groups opposing it. But isn't it interesting that the opposition doesn't want to pay attention to those business groups that actually do support multi-employer bargaining? As I was saying yesterday, in the Senate inquiry we had evidence from the executive director of the Community Child Care Association, which represents over 750— Senator McGrath: That's a community organisation; it's not a small business! The PRESIDENT: Senator McGrath! Opposition senators interjecting— Senator WATT: Oh, apparently they're not prepared to listen to community childcare centres. Senator McGrath interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator McGrath! Senator WATT: They don't want them to get a voice in this because they represent employers of low-paid workers. Senator McGrath interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Watt, please resume your seat. Senator McGrath, I called twice for you to be quiet and you ignored it. The minister has the right to give his answer in silence. Please continue, Minister Watt. Senator WATT: So apparently if you are a business that provides childcare services you can't have your say. You also can't have a say if you are involved in manufacturing and related associations. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Brockman, a second supplementary question?