Ms GILLARD (Lalor—Prime Minister) (14:30): I thank the member for Flinders for his question. On carbon pricing, perhaps I could use the following words to best describe the view of the government: Perhaps our most important domestic policy was the decision of the Howard Government that Australia would implement a national carbon emissions trading system. … … … Importantly, the Coalition pledged to establish a Climate Change Fund to reinvest a substantial proportion of emissions trading revenues in clean energy technology, and support for households most affected by the impact of a carbon price … We hope that the new Government will take up this proposal. Who spoke those words? The member for Flinders did. What did we do? Yes, we did follow in former Prime Minister Howard's economic footsteps, in line with his economic legacy—that is, as a rational man he realised that climate change is real, that it is caused by human activity and that the best way of tackling it is through an emissions trading scheme. Of course, what we have legislated for is a price on carbon now which is fixed and will take us to an emissions trading scheme in two years time. So I can inform the member for Flinders that if he wants to realise the vision that he spoke so eloquently about in his speech, presumably to the Sydney Institute, in April 2008, what he should be saying in this parliament is stick with the policies of this government because that will get us an emissions trading scheme. On further support for an emissions trading scheme— Mr Pyne: You said you wouldn't introduce one. Ms GILLARD: the list of people in support of this policy just goes on and on. Mr Pyne: Why did you lie? The SPEAKER: The Manager of Opposition Business is warned! Ms GILLARD: Let me quote the following words: The Howard government [in 2007] proposed an emissions trading scheme because this seemed the best way to obtain the highest emissions reduction at the lowest cost. Who said that? And who went on to say: We don't want to play games with the planet. So we are taking this issue seriously and we would like to see an ETS … I thank the Leader of the Opposition for his ringing endorsement of this government's policies of an emissions trading scheme. For those who are interested in reason in this debate, I know that the opposition are coming here today to rerun— Mr Hunt: Madam Speaker, a point of order on relevance: before the Prime Minister finishes, she may wish to address the question of why she broke her own promise. The SPEAKER: The member for Flinders will resume his seat. The Prime Minister has the call. Ms GILLARD: I thought the member for Flinders might be tabling a copy of his thesis in favour of an emissions trading scheme! To the member for Flinders, in the 2010 election I spoke about the need for pricing carbon and an emissions trading scheme. Because this government has had guts and because it has had fortitude, we are going to have that emissions trading scheme. You support it. He supports it. Your frontbench supports it. You stood at an election supporting it in 2007 and no amount of shaking your heads or playing politics now changes that truth. (Time expired) Mrs Bronwyn Bishop interjecting—