Senator RUSTON (South Australia—Minister for Families and Social Services, Minister for Women's Safety and Manager of Government Business in the Senate) (14:23): No government has done more to walk side-by-side with Australians, supporting them through this COVID pandemic. We have supported Australians, whether it be through increases in the JobSeeker payment last year, whether it be through the COVID disaster payment that was administered through Senator McKenzie's department to support those people in Australia who have found themselves in the lockdowns of recent times, whether it be through the business supports that have been put in place. But we also understand that, as a government, we have a responsibility to maintain the sustainability of payments that are made. We have to make sure that we support people in a safety net— The PRESIDENT: Senator Rice? Senator Rice: I raise a point of order. The question was whether the minister agreed that the JobSeeker rate of $44 a day— The PRESIDENT: What's the point of order? Senator Rice: Relevance. She is not going to the relevance of the question. Is $44 a day enough to live on? The PRESIDENT: Senator Rice, you've had another opportunity to restate part of the question. It was a very broad question. The minister was being directly relevant. Senator RUSTON: As I was saying, the obligation of government is to make sure that these sorts of payments are sustainable into the future. We have to balance supporting people when they find themselves out of work. But also, we have to make sure that the incentive is there for them to go to work. That's why we create jobs, and that's why we are the government. The PRESIDENT: Senator Rice, a second supplementary question?