Senator McKENZIE (Victoria—Minister for Emergency Management and National Recovery and Resilience, Minister for Regionalisation, Regional Communications and Regional Education and Leader of The Nationals in the Senate) (14:12): Thank you, Senator Sheldon, for your question. As we've been very, very clear, as the second party of government we are taking our time to carefully consider the proposition put forward by the Prime Minister that Australia will be committing to net zero by 2050 in Glasgow. That is actually what rural and regional Australians sent us here to do, and we don't apologise for that. Doug Cameron—and I was privileged to serve with Doug Cameron in this chamber for many years—when he made note of how your party processes operate, said that you'd all had lobotomies and you basically just do what your leader says and you're a bunch of zombies, as I recall—direct quote, in rabbit ears. The PRESIDENT: Senator Watt, on a point of order? Senator Watt: On relevance, in light of your ruling, Mr President. This question was very straight about the amount of money that the Nationals have demanded. The minister is veering off into exactly the kind of political attack that you said was not permitted. The PRESIDENT: There were two parts of my presentation to the Senate. I think you've selectively quoted one of them. But I will bring the minister back to the question. Senator McKENZIE: So the process that our political party has determined to undertake is to consult our colleagues to understand and appreciate their needs and concerns for the next 30 years, not for the next six months towards the election, and to then put forward a document that is based on the principles that will underpin the negotiations between the Deputy Prime Minister and the Prime Minister. We've been very, very clear: this is not about 30 pieces of silver. This is not about some beads and some mirrors. This is actually about how we secure and protect rural and regional Australians and our industries in a decarbonised future. This is about doing our jobs. So I am very proud to be part of a political party and a subcommittee that are actually focused on securing the regions in this proposed future that the Prime Minister and the government are seeking to deliver. If that actually can't come— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Shelton, a supplementary question?