Senator McKENZIE (Victoria—Minister for Emergency Management and National Recovery and Resilience, Minister for Regionalisation, Regional Communications and Regional Education and Leader of The Nationals in the Senate) (14:49): What Senator Canavan is concerned about, what the Deputy Prime Minister is concerned about, what the entire National Party is concerned about, is the impact of any move towards net zero on regional jobs. It's that simple. We only wish that the Labor Party and the Greens could have a similar concern. The reality is: you actually have no plan to get to net zero by 2050. You walked away from your 2030 target at the 2019 election. You don't have a medium target. You don't have a plan to achieve— The PRESIDENT: Minister, please resume your seat. Senator Wong, on a point of order? Senator Wong: On a point of order on direct relevance: there are longstanding precedents that a discussion of opposition policy is not directly relevant to a question about government policy. The PRESIDENT: Senator McKenzie, I will bring you back to the question that was asked. I ask you to resume your answer. Senator McKENZIE: As I was saying, Labor doesn't currently have a medium-term target, nor a plan, to get anywhere near— The PRESIDENT: Senator McKenzie, I will bring you back to the question. An opposition senator: It's not about Labor! Senator McKENZIE: No; it's about Senator Canavan and the Deputy Prime Minister, and whether they agree. And they agree. They agree on the need to protect regional jobs for not just the next three weeks, not just the next three months, but the next 30 years. They are absolutely agreed on that, as we all are in the National Party. The National Party has a broad range of views on the substantive issue of climate change; there's no secret there. But what we are all united on is ensuring that any climate policy that this country agrees to does not disadvantage the regions. We're taking our time to assess that and come to a position. But, in this place, it isn't just talking about the Nats—as much as I could do that all day—and what our plans for the regions are; it is to put before the Australian people what the alternative is, and the fact is that you don't have one. You have no idea how you're going to get to your plan of net zero by 2050—absolutely none. You will have to form a government with these guys, and you know who is under attack if Labor and the Greens get into power—the fishing industry, the forestry industry, the live cattle export industry, the mining industry, the gas industry, the coal industry— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Watt, a supplementary question?