Senator BIRMINGHAM (South Australia—Minister for Finance, Minister for Trade, Tourism and Investment, Vice-President of the Executive Council and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:35): The ABC's charter and rights are all set in law. Its budget is laid out firmly in the budget according to the triennial funding obligations. Senator Wong: What about 'no intimidation'? The guarantee of no intimidation—it's a point of order— The PRESIDENT: The minister has concluded his answer, Senator Wong. There can't be a point of order— Senator Wong interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Wong, please! Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senators Watt and Wong and Rennick! Senator Chandler is on her feet and she is going to have the call. Senator Wong interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong, please! I've asked you several times. I asked Senator Rennick too, but I was calling you before he started interjecting. Senator Chandler.