Mr SWAN (Lilley—Deputy Prime Minister and Treasurer) (14:40): I thank the shadow Treasurer for that question. As I said before, we are putting in place our medium-term fiscal strategy and committed to surpluses, on average, over the economic cycle. That is the responsible thing to do. If the shadow Treasurer wants me to bring down the forecast for the May budget today, that simply cannot be done and he absolutely knows it. But what we on this side will give is a commitment to support jobs and growth. What we are seeing here very clearly today is a determination from those opposite to take an axe to our economy and to slash and burn, particularly across jobs, health and education. You get no clearer commitment to that than what the shadow Treasurer said in Western Sydney last week. Mr Hockey: Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order that goes to relevance. It was a very simple, straightforward question. Does the Treasurer stand by his commitment to pay off the debt? What, a $30 billion surplus every year? The SPEAKER: The member for North Sydney will resume his seat and not abuse points of order. The Treasurer has the call. Mr SWAN: The government makes no apology for putting jobs and growth first in the context of a medium-term fiscal strategy committed to surplus, on average, across the economic cycle.