Senator CAROL BROWN (Tasmania) (14:18): I ask a further supplementary question. Sean Rooney, of Leading Age Services Australia, has said, '$3 billion has been taken out of the aged-care system over the last four years.' How can the minister claim that the government has not cut aged-care funding when the sector says otherwise? Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order on my left. I will call the minister when those who ask the question are silent.