The PRESIDENT (14:02): Senator O'Neill on a point of order. Senator O'Neill: On relevance—the minister sounds like he is going somewhere else. He still hasn't actually answered the question. I wouldn't think it would be too hard. Did the minister watch the program or not? Yes or no? Is aged care in crisis? The PRESIDENT: Senator O'Neill, you have reminded him of it. I thought I heard him answer part of that question. That was part of your question. I call the minister to continue. Senator SCULLION: I confirm I then had information the minister had, in fact, watched Four Corners. As for is aged care in crisis, look, there are elements of aged care, there is no doubt about it, that— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator O'Neill, a supplementary question.