Senator WHISH-WILSON (Tasmania) (14:24): I got to my feet just a little bit too late there, Minister! You didn't say what they were going to cost, which was the key part of my question— Government senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order on my right! Senator WHISH-WILSON: and why you got it so badly wrong and whether you're making this up as you go along. Can the minister rule out cuts to other government services to fund these kinds of cost blowouts that will see billions of dollars of taxpayer money, by the way, going to some of the most profitable arms manufacturers on the planet?