Senator CORMANN (Western Australia—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister for Finance, Special Minister of State and Vice-President of the Executive Council) (14:23): I'm sure that the outstanding member for Hinkler would be pleased to know that Senator Pratt is interested in what he has to say. He does an outstanding job; he stands up for his constituents in Hinkler extremely well, as every Liberal and Nationals senator and member of parliament, of course, does. What I would say to you is that Assistant Minister Pitt is absolutely, 100 per cent committed to the policy objectives of the Turnbull government—that is, lower electricity prices, more reliable energy supplies and meeting our emissions reduction targets in a way that is economically sensible and doesn't lead to statewide blackouts, as happened in the state of South Australia. I know that the Labor Party is always more interested in the politics than in the policy, but on our side of parliament we are a vibrant coalition— The PRESIDENT: Order, Senator Cormann. Senator Wong on a point of order. Senator Wong: It was direct relevance, although perhaps the phrase 'vibrant coalition' will deal with seven of 21 Nationals MPs considering not supporting the NEG, which was the question. The PRESIDENT: You've reminded the minister of the question. I consider that the minister is being relevant to the question in talking about the member quoted and about energy. Senator CORMANN: The Liberal and National Party coalition is a strong, united and vibrant team, and we do engage in policy debate, because we are also committed to advancing the public interest, and long may that be the case, because it helps ensure that we make the best possible decisions for working families across Australia and for our economic security into the future. The PRESIDENT: Senator Pratt, a supplementary question.