Senator FIERRAVANTI-WELLS (New South Wales—Minister for International Development and the Pacific) (14:32): I haven't seen what Dr Falzon said, but, as I was saying, you can't even execute a humiliating retreat properly. Last week the Leader of the Opposition said his policy, his tax grab— The PRESIDENT: Order, Senator Fierravanti-Wells. Senator Farrell on a point of order. Senator Farrell: Relevance is the point of order. It was a very simple question: we are asking the minister to comment on Dr Falzon's comments. Can the minister please direct herself to those? The PRESIDENT: As I've said before, ministers can be relevant to part of the question. I remind the minister of the question, as you have done, and note she has 40 seconds remaining in the answer. Senator FIERRAVANTI-WELLS: I haven't seen what Dr Falzon said, but I will take that on notice and, if the Minister for Social Services has something that he wishes to say in response to Dr Falzon's comments, I'm sure I'll be instructed to provide it to the Senate. As I was saying, last week Mr Shorten said that his policy would not hurt pensioners, but now he admits his policy will inflict a $3.3 billion tax cut, at least, on pensioners. This is chaotic policy on the run. What I'd like to do, Mr President, is take those opposite back to— (Time expired) Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order on my left. Senator Urquhart, a final supplementary question.