Senator CORMANN (Western Australia—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister for Finance, Special Minister of State and Vice-President of the Executive Council) (14:11): The Labor Party get their numbers all muddled up. First it's a $65 million giveaway to big business; then it's a $65 billion giveaway to big business; and, in the Labor Party talking points, it is a $65 giveaway to big business. The first point I would make is that, clearly for the Labor Party, every business is a big business. If you have got one employee, you're big business. If you've got two employees, you're big business. If you have $2 million in turnover, you're big business under the Labor Party. When they talk about the $65 billion cost to the budget bottom line of business tax cuts, the Labor Party know that $30 billion of that represents tax cuts for businesses with a turnover of up to $50 million. You know what: you could have knocked me over with a feather. Having fought it in the trenches, having fought it on the beaches, having fought it in the air— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Cormann, please resume your seat. Senator Cameron, on a point of order. Senator Cameron: It's on relevance. The question was about fairness. The minister has not gone near fairness and probably never will. The PRESIDENT: Senator Cameron, on the point of order, the minister is allowed to address parts of the question. I remind the minister of the terms of the question, but he is allowed to address parts of it and I cannot instruct him how, or what part of it, to answer. Senator CORMANN: Here's my prediction: the Labor Party will end up backing in our business tax cuts in full. You know why I know that? Because last year they were fighting them on the beaches, in the air, by the sea—the $30 billion worth of tax cuts for businesses with a turnover of up to $50 million. Do you know what their position is today? It's their policy. They're backing it in. Last year they were arguing in this chamber that it was the worst thing ever. And what is your policy now? You're backing it in. Clearly, people across Australia understand that, if we want Australians to have the best possible opportunity to get ahead, we need the businesses that employ them to have the best possible opportunity to be successful and profitable into the future. We want Australians today and our children and grandchildren to have the best possible opportunity to have a job and a career here in Australia. We need to ensure that our businesses are not disadvantaged compared to businesses in other parts of the world. We'll continue to fight for what is right and we continue to fight for the working families of Australia. You have sold them out. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Carr, a supplementary question.