Senator CASH (Western Australia—Minister for Jobs and Innovation) (14:00): The Turnbull government's position in relation to penalty rates is very clear. We have always respected the decision of the independent umpire. It's those on the other side who have a record, as you know, Senator Cameron, when it comes to penalty rates. I only caught glimpses of Sally McManus's speech today at the Press Club, but I have to say it was riddled with hypocrisy, because in relation to penalty rates there is only one person in the parliament who has directly negotiated deals— The PRESIDENT: Senator Cameron, a point of order? Senator Cameron: Yes, on relevance. The question goes to the issue of whether the government will make a submission to defend the workers in the hair and beauty sector. It's not about Sally McManus; it's about defending workers. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Cameron. As you know, I can't direct a minister on how to answer a question. You've taken the opportunity to remind the minister of the question you asked. I do the same. Senator CASH: The government, as you know, consistent with all governments, has recently put in a submission to the annual wage review. We provide submissions as required and as appropriate to the Fair Work Commission. In relation to penalty rates, Senator Cameron, I have to say that your hypocrisy is absolutely outstanding, because it is the Leader of the Opposition himself, Mr Bill Shorten, who has sat around a table and directly negotiated away the penalty rates of some of the lowest-paid workers in this country. And it's not as if he actually compensated them. He negotiated away their penalty rates with absolutely no compensation at all, and when you— The PRESIDENT: Senator Cameron, a point of order? Senator Cameron: Mr President, you have reminded the minister of the question: will the government make a submission to defend workers? That's the question. The PRESIDENT: Senator Cameron, the minister was addressing other terms in your question, including the making of submissions and penalty rates. Senator CASH: I have to say again, the hypocrisy of those on the other side is outstanding. In relation to the decision on penalty rates it was made by (a) Labor's independent umpire under (b) the referral by Bill Shorten to (c) the Fair Work Commission, and its head is an appointment by the former Labor government. So please: when it comes to penalty rates, those of us on this side respect— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Cameron, a supplementary question.