Senator BILYK (Tasmania) (14:54): Given the minister's clear comprehension of negative gearing, can she explain how a couple on $130,000 a year— Senator Ian Macdonald interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order on my right. Senator Macdonald! Senator Bilyk, can you commence the question again because I lost track of it? Senator BILYK: Yes. Given the minister's clear comprehension on negative gearing, can she explain how a couple on $130,000 a year in superannuation income and $15,000 a year in dividend income could be considered low income? I'll add one more part to the question, isn't this the same misleading use of taxable income as the government unsuccessfully used in its attempt to— The PRESIDENT: The time for asking the question has expired. Senator Bilyk, please resume your seat. The time for asking the question has expired. Senator Fierravanti-Wells, respond to the terms of the question for as much as you heard.