Senator DI NATALE (Victoria—Leader of the Australian Greens) (14:20): Minister, why is your position any different to that of the NRA in America, who, whenever there is a shooting of innocent people, claim it is not the right time to talk about gun control. Why is your position any different? Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Before I call Senator Cormann, I will insist that I can hear him.