Senator BIRMINGHAM (South Australia—Minister for Education and Training) (15:00): There were dissenting views, and it may come as a surprise to people to know that some of those we hear carping and whining opposite us were, in fact, the authors of those dissenting views. Opposition senators interjecting— Senator BIRMINGHAM: I know—shocked and surprised, I am sure. Labor, of course, in their dissenting comments say they want increased investment and they want to spend more, but they do not define where they want to spend it or where the money will come from, which, of course, is the standard Labor mantra. We have a budgeted, costed proposal that puts $3 billion of extra support into helping families, helping children and helping workforce participation. They say there should be more, but they do not say where it should go and they do not say where the money should come from. Labor, of course, argue that increased investment 'should not go to the profit margin of providers'—that is in the dissenting report—yet they oppose the hourly fee cap that we want to apply to put downward pressure on the growth in fees. So they are opposing the one measure that can actually keep costs under control and keep those profit activities under control. They oppose the activity test, which actually helps to ensure those who need the most support get the most support. (Time expired)