Senator ABETZ (Tasmania—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service and Minister for Employment) (14:47): As the honourable senator should well know, the terms and conditions of Vice-President Lawler's appointment were determined by Labor's Fair Work Act. There are matters that need to be looked at exceptionally carefully. As I said to the honourable senator earlier this week— Senator Conroy: Looks like you'll be on the front page of The Australian twice tomorrow. The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Conroy, you have asked your question. Senator ABETZ: in response to a similar question, these matters need to be dealt with in a methodical manner, in a purposeful manner and in a manner that ensures natural justice. In relation to people taking sick leave from the Fair Work Commission, it should not surprise the honourable senator that that is not something that comes across my desk, but goes across the desk of the person in charge of the Fair Work Commission. If Senator Conroy is asserting that false medical certificates have been provided, let him assert that, especially outside of this place, and see what occurs. But, from my perspective, it is vitally important that we take these matters in a step-by-step manner to ensure that natural justice does occur. Senator Conroy interjecting— Senator ABETZ: The bellicose shouting of the honourable senator clearly indicates that he has no interest in a proper course of action being undertaken but rather wants a vindictive outcome because Mr Lawler's partner, Ms Jackson, has exposed rorts within the trade union movement that have shattered Senator Conroy's personal empire in the trade union movement.