Senator PAYNE (New South Wales—Minister for Human Services) (14:16): I thank Senator Whish-Wilson for his question. In fact, he has correctly observed that they are observations I have made in this chamber, that Minister Robb has made, that Mr Abbott has made and that a number of other enthusiastic supporters of the China-Australia Free Trade Agreement have also made. I think if you wanted to look more accurately at the industries and at examples in our region of the huge potential in this China-Australia Free Trade Agreement then you could go to the evidence provided by Prime Minister John Key from New Zealand, who has said: I'm a massive proponent of free trade, and the benefits of our FTA have been 11 times greater than the most optimistic estimates. The numbers speak for themselves. Having negotiated an agreement that is high quality, you'd like to grab it with both hands. New Zealand will be quite happy to do it if you don't. In fact, as I understand it, the New Zealand record shows a quintupling of the benefits that they were expecting under their free trade agreement. You could also listen to the words of the dairy industry, who have said the free trade agreement will create 600 to 700 jobs in that industry in the first year alone. The Financial Services Council, which I have also referred to, said that the agreement would result in the creation of 10,000 new jobs by 2030 in the financial services sector alone. We have other examples, like New South Wales— Senator Whish-Wilson: Mr President, I rise on a point of order. My question was specifically about the government's report—the only report that I am aware of—by the Centre for International Economics, which is on the DFAT website, which stated 5,434 jobs versus the minister's stated 178,000. That is out by a factor of 33 or 3,300 per cent. I wanted a clear answer on that. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Whish-Wilson. I will remind the minister of the question. She has 21 seconds in which to answer. Senator PAYNE: I am very grateful for Senator Whish-Wilson's continued reference to the great value of the China-Australia Free Trade Agreement. The more he acts as a sceptic and the more he continues in the negative way that he is, the more damage there is to Australia's reputation as an open and free trading country. If that is what the Greens want to do then that is a matter for them. (Time expired)