Senator BRANDIS (Queensland—Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate, Vice-President of the Executive Council, Minister for Arts and Attorney-General) (14:56): I am glad you have admitted the false premise of your primary question. There is no proposal. No decision has been made to proceed in the direction that you suggest. And wouldn't it be a good thing if there were more money in the legal assistance sector? Wouldn't it be a good thing if when the Abbott government had been elected we did not inherit public debt— Opposition senators interjecting— Senator BRANDIS: Senator Collins, the fact that you laugh at the notion of public debt as you sit behind the worst finance minister in Australian history, Senator Penny Wong, who also laughs off the notion of public debt—you left this sector as you left every other area of Commonwealth expenditure: impoverished by debt projected to peak at $667 billion. (Time expired)