Senator CORMANN (Western Australia—Minister for Finance) (14:14): There is absolutely no fiscal impact, because we remain committed to the savings. We remain committed to the savings, as the Leader of the Government in the Senate, Senator Abetz, has rightly pointed out. I refer Senator Polley to page 88 of Budget Paper No. 2: the $150 million for the National Collaborative Research Infrastructure Strategy continuation, which Labor defunded. According to Senator Wong this was a lapsing program under Labor. We actually put $150 million into the budget for it. I read on page 88: The Government will provide $150.0 million in 2015‑16 to continue the National Collaborative Research Infrastructure Strategy, which funds the operation and maintenance of critical national research infrastructure. This funding will allow the most critical existing research facilities to continue to deliver maximum benefits to the research community. The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock. Do you have a point of order, Senator Wong? Senator Wong: Yes, Mr President. The question was, 'Can the minister advise the Senate exactly how much the latest iteration of the government's university deregulation plan will cost the federal budget?' The answer was 'nothing'. If that really is true then I invite the crossbenchers to consider the government's position. The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong, that was not a point of order. Minister, you have the call. Senator CORMANN: Thank you, Mr President. I will just ignore that outburst from the Leader of the Opposition in the Senate. Clearly, she still does not understand how budget papers work. No wonder that she was the worst finance minister in the history of the Commonwealth! Guess what? If she would have looked closely at what was announced yesterday she would have actually understood that splitting the bills has absolutely no impact on the budget position. She knows exactly that the government remains committed to the savings that are reflected in the budget, and that as far as the National Collaborative Research Infrastructure Strategy is concerned the money is already in the budget. I do not know which part of that Senator Wong does not understand but, given that she does not understand it, it is no wonder that she created such a mess of our public finances in her period in government. Senator Kim Carr: The money was there all the time! Senator Back: You can't own up— Senator Kim Carr: So what was the blackmail all about? The PRESIDENT: Senator Back and Senator Carr! Order!