Senator CORMANN (Western Australia—Minister for Finance) (14:19): I am always happy to be surprised by my ministerial colleagues when they come up with more savings proposals! Let me also say that I am very surprised about Labor's confected outrage here, given their disastrous track record when it comes to funding higher education. In the few budgets that Senator Wong was the finance minister for—from 2011-12 onwards—there were $6.6 billion in cuts out of higher education under Labor. So do not come in here with your crocodile tears and try— The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock. You have a point of order, Senator Moore? Senator Moore: Yes, Mr President. My point of order is on direct relevance to the question that was asked. It was advice about who exactly will pay for this latest backflip, not a history lesson on past practice. The PRESIDENT: I remind the minister of the question. He has 30 seconds in which to answer it. Senator CORMANN: Somebody once said that if you do not learn the lessons of history you are forced and condemned to repeat them. I think the Senate needs to have a history lesson about the disastrous record of Labor in government when it came to higher education. In order to make sure that you have a detailed list of all of the cuts to higher education under Labor when Senator Wong was the finance minister, I table the list of cuts that were made to higher education by Senator Wong. Senator Kim Carr: Will the minister table the ABC Fact Check that found them to be completely— The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Carr. I will not take that as a point of order, I will take that as a comment, albeit not in conformity with the standing orders. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order on both sides!