Senator KIM CARR (Victoria) (14:47): Mr President I ask a further supplementary question. I ask again— Government senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock! Order on my right! Senator Carr you can commence your question again; we will start the clock again. Senator KIM CARR: I ask again: why does the government keep saying it wants to build links between science and industry while cutting world-leading collaboration programs like NICTA and the cooperative research centres?