Senator PAYNE (New South Wales—Minister for Human Services) (14:39): The benefits to students are stressed by university leaders when they talk about the necessity for the reforms. It is about ensuring access for students, and especially students from disadvantaged backgrounds, to the higher education system. Professor Peter Lee, the Chair of the Regional Universities Network, has said— Senator Kim Carr interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock. Thank you. Minister. Senator PAYNE: Professor Peter Lee has said: … the passage of the bill with changes proposed by RUN would help regional students attend and succeed at regional universities and would increase the number of professionals working in regional Australia. And, of course, as I have said before, and as the university leaders have stressed, no student will need to pay one cent up-front to attend university. It is just a scare campaign— Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock. Senator Ian Macdonald interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order on my right! Honourable senators interjecting — Senator Wong interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Order, Senator Wong! Minister, you have the call. Senator PAYNE: Those university leaders have also pointed to what will be their ability to offer greatly expanded support to disadvantaged students, and Sydney university is the best example— (Time expired)