Senator JOHNSTON (Western Australia—Minister for Defence) (14:58): I do appreciate the opportunity to answer, Senator Sterle. The fact is: I knew the subject matter before the National Security Committee. They did not bear directly upon my portfolio. But the point is this: we show respect to a committee of this chamber and Senate estimates is a very, very important part of the process. And I take it seriously. That is why I turned up to Senate estimates. I take it seriously; I have always taken it seriously. It was very clear to me that when your former Prime Minister sent her bodyguard to Senate estimates she did not take it seriously. We all take it seriously over here, in stark contrast to the political nonsense and game you think this really is. Senator Conroy: There is a further supplementary. The PRESIDENT: I ruled the first supplementary out of order, so you had your final. Senator Conroy: You gave him a chance to reword— The PRESIDENT: He did, and I ruled it out of order. Senator Conroy, are you reflecting on the chair again? Senator Conroy: You invited him to reword it, and he did. Senator Sterle: I reworded it. The PRESIDENT: Order! And I ruled the question out of order. Senator Conroy: Then he reworded it again. The PRESIDENT: No, then he asked a supplementary question. He got the chance to reword it once. I am not going to argue about this.