Senator CORMANN (Western Australia—Minister for Finance) (14:06): I have already explained the position of the government when it comes to fuel excise indexation, and our position is different to that of Senator Macdonald. But let me point out to the chamber that I am also aware of the views of a former senior Labor cabinet minister, none other than Craig Emerson. There was a time there when I could not switch on the television without Craig Emerson popping up and telling us how this is good sound economic policy, how this is a sound fiscal structural reform. There was a time when in the Labor Party there were sensible economic managers. There was a time when in the Labor Party there were some people with economic credibility. They have long gone. The PRESIDENT: Pause the clock. Senator Cameron: Mr President, a point of order again on relevance. I asked was Senator Macdonald correct when he said that the government should abandon the Paid Parental Leave scheme and not hike up the petrol tax? The PRESIDENT: The minister has almost 20 seconds left to answer the question. Senator CORMANN: The problem we have in Australia today is that Bill Shorten has not got the strength to stand up to the left of the Labor Party. People like Craig Emerson who are pursuing sensible economic policy, promoting regular indexation of the fuel excise, are right and it is time that Bill Shorten listened to them. (Time expired)