Senator RONALDSON (Victoria—Minister for Veterans' Affairs, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Centenary of ANZAC and Special Minister of State) (14:58): I will go through a variety of measures. Senator Conroy asked me about indexation. Look at page 238 of the former government's 2009-10 budget measures. Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senators on my left, you have your Manager of Opposition Business in the Senate waiting to raise a point of order. Senator Moore: Mr President, on a point of order on relevance: the question specifically related to decisions of this government about the cost of living for veterans. We appreciate the history lesson from the minister but we would like to get an answer to this particular question. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Moore. The minister has only been going for 15 seconds. He has 75 per cent of his time left to answer the question. Senator RONALDSON: Thank you, Mr President. In the short time left to me, I invite the Australian Labor Party to do something very constructive for Australian veterans over the next 24 hours, and that is vote for the abolition of the carbon tax so veterans can get the benefit of this— Opposition senators interjecting— Senator Conroy: Mr President, on a point of order— The PRESIDENT: Order! Pause the clock. Before Senator Conroy raises a point of order—Senator Ronaldson, I do draw your attention to the question. Senator RONALDSON: Thank you very much. In response to the cost of living question, and in relation to family tax benefit A, where the indexation was reduced to CPI— Opposition senators interjecting— Senator RONALDSON: Can I just give this quote, please? This measure will help reduce the long term cost to the budget of a substantial and growing expenditure, contributing to the return of the budget to surplus and the reduction of net debt. The Australian Labor Party supporting CPI and indeed in changing that measure— (Time expired) Senator Abetz: Mr President, I ask that further questions be placed on the Notice Paper.