Senator RONALDSON (Victoria—Minister for Veterans' Affairs, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Centenary of ANZAC and Special Minister of State) (14:52): I thank Senator Conroy for his question, which does give me the opportunity to talk about indexation as requested. Senator Conroy will be aware—and I presume this is the basis for his question—of the cross-portfolio decision made in relation to indexation measures which will take place in September of 2017. Senator Conroy will also be aware that, in the run-up to the last election, I went to many veterans' forums around the nation and said, in relation to the DFRDB/DFRB superannuation scheme, that I believe there should be expanded indexation measures. As Senator Conroy will also be equally aware, in this chamber I introduced a bill to achieve that. Senator Conroy needs to be reminded— Senator Conroy: Mr President, on a point of order on relevance: the minister is now seeking to avoid answering the question relevantly because he is now referring to DFRB retirement payments. My question was very specifically about the pensions of the 280,000 veterans and their dependants, who will now receive only CPI indexation, not the schemes he is now talking about. The PRESIDENT: There is no point of order. The minister has been explaining the aspects of the question. He has still 40 seconds left. He is continuing his answer. The minister is relevant. Senator RONALDSON: Thank you, Mr President. At the start of my answer, I indicated there had been some cross-portfolio changes. I assume that was the basis on which the question was asked. I would return if I may to the events in this chamber when Senator Conroy and the Australian Labor Party voted to keep CPI as the only measure for the DFRDB. I am happy to table the Senate Hansard but where— (Time expired)