Senator RONALDSON (Victoria—Minister for Veterans' Affairs, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Centenary of ANZAC and Special Minister of State) (14:56): I think it is always best in a public forum like this to accurately reflect comments that have been made. Senator Conroy knows full well that the Prime Minister was referring to the DFRDB/DFRB indexation measure, which we are going to address. I will go back to where I was before. Senator Conroy, in three separate votes in relation to the DFRDB indexation, voted to keep CPI as the— Senator Conroy interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Conroy, your leader is trying to raise a point of order. Senator Wong: Mr President, on relevance: the minister is talking about a different scheme. He was not asked about that scheme. He was asked very specifically about the pensions of 280,000 veterans, war widows and orphans and the government's decision to index by CPI. He is now talking about recipients of an entirely different scheme. That cannot possibly be directly relevant under the standing orders. The PRESIDENT: Senator Ronaldson commenced his answer by responding to a quote given by Senator Conroy and that was directly relevant to Senator Conroy's question. He still has 30 seconds remaining. I call the minister. Senator RONALDSON: The absolute irony and hypocrisy! The Leader of the Opposition in the Senate, who led the charge in this chamber as finance minister, called our decision to make these changes 'unaffordable' and 'a sham'. This is the very person who took the point of order in relation to indexation. It is here in black and white that the Australian Labor Party— (Time expired)