Senator JOHNSTON (Western Australia—Minister for Defence) (14:42): As the senator would know, we are commissioning a new white paper. But we are also commissioning a first-principles review of the way Defence, including the DMO, does its business. The reason we are doing a first-principles review is that we want to see Defence performing to its optimum and we want to see the DMO carrying out its functions and delivering programs for the Australian Defence Force cost-effectively. The first-principles review will be key to the input into the white paper as to the reforms we must undertake inside Defence. The government is determined— Senator Mark Bishop: Mr President, I rise on a point of order. The minister has received three questions from Senator Xenophon that go to the efficiency and effectiveness of the DMO. Apart from mentioning a first-principles review, he has explicitly refused to identify and answer the issues raised by Senator Xenophon. They are important matters. You should direct Senator Johnston to attend to them in the last 21 seconds of his answer. The PRESIDENT: There is no point of order at this stage. Senator JOHNSTON: I pause to thank the senator for his point of order and for his very learned contribution to strategic policy in Australia. What was his reward for being one of the principal contributors from the other side? To be sacked. (Time expired)