Senator FARRELL (South Australia) (15:03): Mr President, I ask a supplementary question. Is the minister aware that RSL officials have described these cuts as 'mean-spirited' and a 'penny-pinching exercise' that hurts Defence families? Has the minister taken any action to stop this mean, penny-pinching decision from being implemented? Senator Ronaldson: It's not his portfolio. What's wrong with you! Senator FARRELL: Answer some questions on defence families.