Senator JOHNSTON (Western Australia—Minister for Defence) (14:12): It might come as a surprise to the senator, but the government has changed. We believe in a hand-up and a level playing field, and not a blank cheque of a handout. Senator Kroger: They don't believe it! Senator Pratt: It was in December! Senator Wong: He said it was when you were in government! Senator JOHNSTON: On one— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Johnston, resume your seat! On my left! Senator Mason interjecting— Senator Cormann interjecting— The PRESIDENT: I need silence on my right as well. On both sides! Senator JOHNSTON: What we are not going to do to a listed commercial entity is give them a bank cheque. We are going to give them a framework which is fair and equitable for them to work with. That is what they want. We have observed what the previous government did with its drunken sailor mentality, writing cheques to just about everybody who put their hand up. Indeed, that is why SPC Ardmona had their application with the previous government for about eight months and nothing was done. They thought they could get a free ride! What Qantas needs is a level playing field, and you guys over there, through you Mr President, need to understand that that is what we are going to give them: nothing more, nothing less.