Senator JOHNSTON (Western Australia—Minister for Defence) (14:02): Martin Ferguson, someone who most of us hold in high regard, has told you where you should be on this issue. You should produce a level playing field and welcome this government's attempt to do so in a highly competitive commercial market. What is your solution to the Qantas situation? Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator JOHNSTON: You have had six years to deal with this issue, and what have you done? Like all of the matters that we have found underneath the carpet when we took over, you have been sitting on your hands on these important decisions. What we are putting into this parliament— Senator Conroy interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Conroy. Senator JOHNSTON: is a commercial solution that frees up Qantas's ability to compete on a level playing field. I know the senator— (Time expired) Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! On my left.