Senator KROGER (Victoria—Chief Government Whip) (14:34): I thank the minister for his answer. I ask a supplementary question. Can the minister advise the Senate of other attempts to frustrate the government's savings measures? Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Cormann, you are entitled to be heard in silence and I will not give you the call until there is silence. It is as simple as that. So when there is silence we will proceed.