Senator LUDWIG (Queensland—Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry and Minister Assisting on Queensland Floods Recovery) (14:34): I remind Senator Williams that the impact of the carbon price in the transport industry is a couple of years away, because we have ensured that in 2014 we will look at the impact and deal with it at that point. It is important to recognise that this government is acting on climate change—unlike the deniers on that side of the chamber, who do not believe in climate change, who do not want to drive to a clean energy future, who do not want to ensure that we can have a clean energy future, who want to continue to say: 'This has no impact. This is not going to happen.' This government has put in place assistance for households but also assistance for business. And who opposed that? Those opposite opposed it. They opposed having assistance for business. They opposed— Senator Williams: Mr President, I rise on a point of order. I asked the minister how much emissions will be reduced on our 47,000 trucking companies by the imposition of the $510 million extra fuel tax. Will he please directly answer that question? The PRESIDENT: The minister still has 52 seconds remaining to answer the question. There is no point of order at this stage. Senator LUDWIG: This is what Senator Williams misses out—all fuel, including petrol, diesel and LPG gas for passenger motor vehicles and light on-road commercial vehicles, will not be subject to a carbon price. Households and most small businesses already pay fuel excise on their transport fuel and will not face a further carbon price. I think Senator Williams does not add all of the facts when he asks that question. This is because the government knows that fuel costs are a major expense for family budgets. Transport will not be directly subject to a carbon price under the government's carbon pricing mechanism. They will not need to worry about buying and surrendering permits; however, some businesses get fuel tax credits, which means that they will pay no excise or just pay a road-user charge. Fuel tax credits will be reduced— (Time expired)