Senator BOB CARR (New South Wales—Minister for Foreign Affairs) (14:09): It is just as well that they have George, a qualified lawyer, to advise them on this question. Imagine how bad they would be if George were not there drafting it. I just want to say that, in respect of the ICAC inquiry proceeding in Sydney at the present time, I have not been called, and I draw the attention of the Senate to the observations made about my record and my time by counsel assisting. I do not think that I can help beyond that, but any time that the senator wants a tutorial from me based on years of experience in the New South Wales parliament, so highly regarded by the Senate, I am happy to provide it to him. Senator Fifield: Mr President, I raise a point of order in relation to relevance. The question to Minister Bob Carr related to whether he felt that his role— Government senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Just wait a moment, Senator Fifield. Order on my right! Senator Fifield: Thank you. Mr President, I have a point of order on relevance. The question to Senator Bob Carr was very specific as to whether he felt that his role as Australia's face to the world was compromised by the fact that ministers in his government are currently being investigated by the Independent Commission Against Corruption. Australia seeks to advise foreign governments in relation to corruption issues, and they quite rightly look to how the Australian government deals with allegations of corruption and how seriously it takes them. The PRESIDENT: There is no point of order. The minister is answering the question. The minister has 19 seconds and, as I said at the outset, the minister needs to respond to the question in so much as it applies to the portfolio. Senator BOB CARR: Senator Thistlethwaite is an expert in water safety. This is useful because we have just witnessed a man drowning. Help is at hand. I suppose this is vaguely relevant in that there is— (Time expired)